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Re: 81/Twin
« Reply #60 on: February 16, 2008, 11:16:42 PM »
Again I will help you out.  Here's a link for the state salaries via the Argus.  You can click on GFP it will show either annual salary or hourly rate.

http://www.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=DATABASE1401

Take some initiative and look for some of this on your own.  You keep saying why don't they show this, where's this.  It's probably all out there.  I bet if you contact wildinfo@state.sd.us they can get the info on musky your want or get you in contact with the person who has that info. 

You can contact one of the commissioners with YOUR concerns.   Give them all your info you shared here.   That's how you can let them hear your voice.  I'm sure if you had VALID evidence to support your ideas, they would take you ideas into consideration.


I have had good perch fishing on Poinsett.  And I never fished it before the 1990's.  I know you want to blame the smallmouth bass for decline in perch so you can blame the gf&p.  What do you have to support your theory other than your own speculations.  Think about the drought conditions some of these waters have seen the last few years and what affect that has had.  How about the increased cormorant population and the effect that may have had. 

The simple fact remains you got your pants in a bunch because you like walleyes, perch, crappie, bluegill, northern and bullhead, and don't like musky or bass.  Since you don't like musky or bass, you don't want them in this state, regardless of what anyone else may think.  So it all boils down to YOU wanting to pick and choose what goes or doesn't go into our lakes.  How selfish of you.  You should be ashamed. 




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Re: 81/Twin
« Reply #61 on: February 17, 2008, 08:42:59 AM »
Poinsett was a good perch lake in the 70's and 80's but where is it today?  What has changed, a couple of things, but I believe the most significant is the introduction of smallmouth bass into the lake.  Show me the science which disproves it.  It could be the same thing happened to Thompson - which way has the perch fishing been trending?

Hmmm, how many fish were caught out of Thompson in the 70s? How many are caught now? Damn GFP just screws up everything don't they. They sure messed up big time making that park and the double wide boat ramp.

As for searching for info about what the GFP does and white papers and commission results, search engines aren't good at returning the info unless you want to look on page 300 of the results. A while back this site was number 18 for the search term 'south dakota fishing' the first 17 were spam sites and scraped sites that were trying to make a buck from adsense, kontera or adwords.

It's pretty much the same way for most searches. Spammers or other off topic crap comes up before the info you or I are looking for so we get discouraged and give up on looking for info we need. I consider my self fortunate to know a little about search engine optimization but if I knew nothing at all this page would come up behind 300 spammers and no one would ever find it through a search engine.

Same with looking for GFP things. Damn hard to find most of the time. Doesn't help that the state or GFP wants to keep some of the things hidden so they aren't optimized for good SE results. Most aren't optimized at all, for anything, because the people writing the papers are even considering search engines or normal people who don't have a clue what big long sientific words to use to find things.

As for other peoples opinions, they are entitled to them, even if they are wrong. I try to be open to new things and new ideas but if you are giving me just your opinion and no proof don't expect me to jump on your bandwagon. OTOH GFP, DNR or whoever doesn't always have proof before they do something, they have a theory. However that theory is usually based on sound science and not just opinion.

Essentally we seem to use GFP as a scapegoat and blame them for problems instead of helping them solve them. Lol, no, complaining on here doesn't help them much. Sure they read this forum but most of us are incognito with handles instead of actual names. They, like most of the rest of us, don't pay to much attention to people who are anonymous.

There are plenty of lakes around. If you don't like the way GFP, DNR or anyone else handles a lake then just simply vote with your feet or car and don't go fish that lake. Simple enough. Write a letter to the editor using your real name, commission meetings are held all over the state so it's not like you have to drive 4 hours and sit for days on end.

GFP holds a lot of those meetings to get fisherman input and if fishermen aren't showing up then you take what you get. Most would just rather sit home and bitch about GFP rather than take an active role. Lol, me too. Sitting home is a lot easier than going to a meeting and giving your own personally indetifiable opinion.

Which ever one of you can control nature, please call me cause if you can do that I have a few little things I'd like you to do for me.

Lol, nope, this one ain't barbless. ;)

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Re: 81/Twin
« Reply #62 on: February 17, 2008, 09:35:52 AM »
I have had good perch fishing on Poinsett.  And I never fished it before the 1990's. 
Same story hear. I had really good luck fishing the lake during the 90's for perch. The major cause of decline in the population is not due to smallmouth bass, but due to the lack of good spawning cover and lower water levels. Same way with thompson. The lower water levels have left a lot of the flooded trees and other spawning sites for fish dry. Without the proper nesting cover, fish cant reproduce, thus you get a drop in population. Its been happening all across the state in recent years and not just specific lakes, but in almost every lake.

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Re: 81/Twin
« Reply #63 on: February 17, 2008, 10:01:20 PM »
TLA - You lifted a quote about Poinsett and applied it to Thompson as to good perch fishing in the 70's.  Are you a politician?  However Thompson was very good fishing in the mid to late 80's with a larger average population of walleyes and a very good perch fishery, and no smallmouth bass.  The walleye fishery is no where near what it was but I give credit to the increased pressure from the really good boat dock and state park. 

I ask a lot of questions to which the other folks on this site post opinions, a good share of which are personal attacks.  Yeh, mine might be opinions as well, or maybe they are theories.  Neither one has any proof, but need to be proved.  Before someone can say that the introduction of smallmouth bass has had no impact on the perch fishery they should show some proof, otherwise its just an opinion.  If the GFP has sound science in its approach to species stocking it should be documented.  If that can't be shown its just another opinion they have sound science.

I am not making the GFP a scapegoat but are they not responsible for managing the fishery?  I am not saying they are doing a bad job but agree with you in a C grade which means they can do better.

I really don't understand why folks get so worked up and defensive about fishery issues.  What is wrong with improving the fishery or is it already too good to believe?

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Re: 81/Twin
« Reply #64 on: February 18, 2008, 02:54:11 AM »
I really don't understand why folks get so worked up and defensive about fishery issues.  What is wrong with improving the fishery
Thank you pbc, you just said it yourself. What is wrong with improving the fishery? That is what the introduction of musky into west 81 is going to do; it will improve the fishery. It will not hurt it, give it a chance and it may just improve it. It is definatly not to good to be true but they are woking at making it the best it can be for all species of fish, and like it or not, that includes musky.

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Re: 81/Twin
« Reply #65 on: February 18, 2008, 05:56:46 AM »
According to pbc, 95% of anglers don't want bass or muskies in our lakes.  I have a hard time believing that 1 out of 20 anglers don't want them. 

Thompson's been good in the 90's and beyond.  I guess you just see what you want to see in things pbc.   As you can see from this forum, most, if any, don't agree with your ways of thinking.  Sorry to burst your bubble.

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Re: 81/Twin
« Reply #66 on: February 18, 2008, 07:12:33 AM »
TLA - You lifted a quote about Poinsett and applied it to Thompson
Close but no cigar. I lifeted the quote but my point was about the GFP. From slough to premier walleye, northen, perch and smallies in 25 years. The recreation are is damn nice, the fishing is good. What more does anyone want from them.

Politician? Never happen. I don't always say things the way I'd normally say them. Lol, if I did I'd have to ban me. Bait babe and Bo would be mad at me and it is a family forum. Somedays it takes me an hour to rewrite what I'm saying so it will fit within the rules that apply to all of us.

Uh, and where did all those fish in Thompson come from. You don't really suppose that all the rain had something to do with providing new and bettter spawning and the lack of precipitation for the last few years lowered the lake levels and spawning areas for some species.

When you can make the GFP responsible for the weather I'll build them a church and we can all go worship there. Uh, when people say the smallies ruined perch fishing they should also have some proof. Catching less perch isn't proof that smallies caused it. More walleyes and northerns could also be a cause.

Go look at test net results and you can make a corelation between low water and poor spawning years. That is unless you are saying that the smallies just ate all the young that year or perhaps the GFP set the test nets two feet out of the water. Looking at test net results you can also predict which lakes are going to have some damn good fishing in a couple of years.

Almost everything everyone says is an opinion. Whether on here or in real life. Seldom are facts brought into play to back up anyones opinion. Then people use faulty logic to prove their opinin and then try to bully others into agreeing with it. Without the facts, footnotes, proof and refrences it's all opionion.

Nothing wrong with improving fishing at all. Problem is to define what's causing the poor fishing. Water levels are a major problem and not much can be done about them. It snows and rains it the right places or it doesn't. Global climate change isn't helping much either. What y'all driving? Never occured to many that fishing could be getting worse because it's getting warmer and the water levels are lower.

I'm betting if you ask any GFP person if hey would love to see fishing be better in every lake in SD none of them would say no. They do what they can do with the information they have but they can't control the weather and the precip. They do what they can but they can't do everything and aren't responsible for everything. If they could we'd all be able to catch limits of huge fish and we'd all be happy.

The point is no one controls everything so things go up and down. Cycles in a lake are normal and natural. We might not like them but we also have litle power to change them. Water evels have more to do with fishing than the GFP ever will.

Heh, I have a bigger problem with almost every states deer management than I do with their fish management. Up the deer tags so that a million of them aren't killed by vehicles every year. That's a waste of a great resource and better management would help stop that. Yet the dogooders don't want Bambi killed by a hunter so they come out en masse to complain, protest and write letters so that everyone can have an opportunity to kill a deer with their vehicle instead.

There are always at least three sides to every issue, yours, mine and the facts. ;)

As for improving the fishery I'd say iot has improved a ton over 40 years ago. Fishermen have multiplied much faster than fish have yet we still catch a lot of fish. There are enough lakes in the state to provide many different types of fishing, including muskies, smallies and other fish. Large predators are also a control mechanism and a 40# musky is going to be one hell of a lot of fun to catch.

We are a diverse people and we need a diverse fishery, for everyone, not just those who want to catch perch and walleyes. I never caught a smallie until I fished Thompson. Now I like catching them. They fight really well. Better than a walleye or northern. If you want more fish then do what I do, catch them and then release them.

Lol, we all want the same thing, we all just have different opinions on how to get there. That's not a bad thing.

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Re: 81/Twin
« Reply #67 on: February 20, 2008, 08:44:13 PM »
i personally think everybody complains too much the gfp does thier best job to provide the best they can for us the sportsmen and recreationists furthermore they must know what they are doing they have invested part of thier life to thier profession by giong to school if you think that the department is flawed then get off your butt and do something about it go to school there are lakes that i fish that are completely private and i have noticed a decline in fish numbers in recent years due to the low water gfp had absolutely nothing to do with it yes fishing pressure has risen recently but you have to deal with it should they limit the number of fishing licenses issued to remove some pressure yes fishing is great i love doing great when i go out but so do other people we have to share the resources i lived in oldham as a kid and the fishing was great on thompson the good old days are gone but there are still quality fish in the lake some people i know dont care so much about catching tons of fish every time they go out they are out to enjoy the outdoors and relax i think that everyone needs to slow down and remember what its all about